trinity holy spirit god the father jesus the son onenessOneness.  What is the Belief:

The common doctrinal belief of the Trinity isn’t held by the Oneness Pentecostals.  They deny the Justification by Faith Doctrine and instead add water baptism and Speaking in other tongues as a prerequisite to salvation.

SO WHAT’S UP WITH BAPTISM?

1. Baptism - Oneness groups teach baptism (in Jesus’ name) is necessary for salvation.

1. If baptism is necessary for salvation, then as stated above why are we justified by faith (Rom. 5:1) and not faith and baptism?
2. “In Jesus’ name” is a reference to authority, not method. Acts 4:7 shows that people were asking By what authority, or in what name, have you done this? To Baptize in Jesus’ name means to Baptize in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit just as Jesus commanded in (Matt. 28:19)
3. If baptism is essential for salvation, then what happens to someone who repents of sin, accepts Jesus as Savior, walks across the street to get baptized but is killed by a car. Does he go to heaven or hell? 1. If he goes to heaven, then baptism isn’t a requirement is it? 2. If he goes to hell, then faith in Christ isn’t sufficient to save him is it?

2. Trinity 1. We use the term “person” regarding each member of the Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), because each of them displays attributes of personhood, i.e., each speaks, is aware of others and himself, possesses a will, has emotions, etc. Hence, the term person.

3. Questions for Oneness people 1. Is Jesus His own Father? If so, how can He be the Father of Himself? 2. If God is only one person, why did Jesus say in John 14:23, “If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” If God is only one person, why does Jesus say, “we”? 3. If you say He is the Father of the flesh, then how can that be a real incarnation? If it isn’t a real incarnation, then the atonement cannot save. 4. If God is only one person, then how can the one person have two separate and distinct wills at the same time on the exact same subject? Jesus said, “Not my will but your will be done,” (Luke 22:42), when speaking to the Father. 5. Was Jesus praying to Himself in the Garden of Gethsemane? If so, how is it possible to do that? Jesus was not praying to Himself. We see in Scripture, Jesus praying to the Father. 6. If the flesh of Jesus was talking to the spirit of Jesus when He prayed “Not my will but your will be done” (Luke 22:42), then how is Jesus really the incarnation of God since you have the flesh arguing with the spirit and they seem to be totally distinct and separate? 7. Regarding Isaiah 9:6, If Jesus’ name is “Eternal Father,” then why don’t we call Jesus “Eternal Father”? For that matter, why don’t we call his name “Wonderful counselor,” or “Mighty God,” or “Prince of Peace”? 1. Isaiah 9:6, “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” 8. Is Jesus in physical, human form right now? Since the Bible teaches us that Jesus is in bodily form now (Col. 2:9; 1 Tim. 2:5), then how does the Oneness person maintain that God is in the form of the Holy Spirit? 9. If baptism is essential for salvation, then what happens to someone who repents of sin, accepts Jesus as Savior, walks across the street to get baptized but is killed by a car. Does he go to heaven or hell? 1. If he goes to heaven, then baptism isn’t a requirement is it? 2. If he goes to hell, then faith in Christ isn’t sufficient to save him is it? 10. What is the name of God, according to God Himself? “The God of your fathers has sent me to you. Now they may say to me, What is His name? What shall I say to them? 14 And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you,” (Ex. 3:13-14). God’s self-given name is I AM. 11. If Jesus is the Father and the Father judges no one, then Jesus could not be judge. Isn’t that right?

4. Verses Examined 1. Matt. 28:19, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” 1. This is the formula that Jesus commanded that we use. If the Oneness people are so biblical, why do they not obey Jesus’ own words. 2. John 3:5, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” 1. How can John 3:5 refer to Christian baptism when it hadn’t been instituted yet. The only baptism known at that time was the Baptism of John the Baptist and it was about repentance. 2. The context of John 3:5 refers to natural birth and spiritual birth, fleshly birth and spiritual birth which is why Nicodemus referred to his mother’s womb, and Jesus says in verse 6, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” 3. Acts 2:38, “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” 1. Acts 2:38 simply says that repentance and forgiveness of sins are connected. In the Greek, “repent” is in the plural and so is “your” of “your sins.” 2. Regarding Acts 2:38, the Bible Knowledge Commentary says, “The preposition used here is eis which, with the accusative case, may mean “on account of, on the basis of.” Therefore, you get baptized on because of repentance. 3. Acts 2:38, check out Acts 2:39 which deals with the covenant of baptism and its relation to the children. This is covenant language. 4. Acts 22:16, “And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” 1. Regarding Acts 22:16, our sins are washed away by calling on Jesus name, not by being dunked in water. 5. 1 Pet. 3:21, “The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” 1. Look at the context of verses 18-20. What saved Noah, the flood or the Ark? It was the Ark. Peter says in like manner baptism saves you. Noah entered the Ark by faith which is why Peter goes on to say, “not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience.”

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This entry was posted on Tuesday, August 5th, 2008 at 8:31 am.
Categories: Bible Study, Religion.



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3 Comments, Comment or Ping

  1. You might want to rewrite some of your intro there. You spend a lot of time refuting beliefs that you don’t introduce. I was reading and got confused by the digression into the Trinity. My understanding is that Oneness Pentecostals deny the Trinity as well as believing in baptismal salvation. In that case, your article works, but help us readers along and give us the full picture of what you’re discussing. Maybe if you added a line or two under “Trinity” to say that Oneness denies the doctrine of the Trinity.

    I hope that doesn’t come across as harsh. It was a thoughtful essay.

    Kudos on the illustration though. That’s the classic formulation of the Trinity and works remarkably well.

    Is this movement sizable at all, though? I don’t think I’ve ever even seen a oneness church. Are there some in your area? I’ve never encountered any Oneness people and I had to do a quick Google search to make sure I remembered them correctly.

  2. Tony

    you are right that I left some things in the dark and had it jump. ( I can’t claim all research as my own, just from a couple of sources to put this together, which I didn’t cite)

    The pentecostal doctrine I am referring to I have known about for a while and have some friends in those churches, but I came across some videos on youtube that got me to want to put something on here. That video can be seen here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZpJHxATOGg&feature=related

    I am changing some things on this post now. Thanks Josh!

  3. The United Pentecostal Church International is a ‘Oneness’ denomination that I have come across a few times over the years. The following is from their website and perhaps gives an idea to the size of the movement:

    “The United Pentecostal Church International (UPCI) has been among the fastest growing church organizations in North America since it was formed in 1945 by the merger of the Pentecostal Church, Incorporated, and the Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ. From 617 churches listed in 1946, the UPCI in North America (United States and Canada) today lists 4,358 churches (which includes 4099 autonomous and 258 daughter works), 9,085 ministers, and reports a Sunday School attendance of 646,304. Moreover, it is also located in 175 other nations with 22,881 licensed ministers, 28,351 churches and meeting places, 652 missionaries, and a foreign constituency of over 3 million, making a total worldwide constituency of more than 4,036,945. “

    peace in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,
    brad

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